One of the most annoying things non-christians have to deal with is christians throwing bible verses at them. Look, we all know you think that book has some kind of magical power, and that it is the key to absolute truth, etc, etc, but we don’t.
Injecting bible verses into a debate, or onto an object do not help your argument. No one has ever seen a bible verse and gone “Oh my gosh! I’ve been wrong this entire time! Reality and evidence don’t matter after all! The magical power radiating from this righteous verse has shown me the way!”
In fact, using bible verses actual hurts your argument. To thinking people it shows that you do not have enough support for your claims, and so you must fall back on a book that you, and you alone, hold as absolute truth. Well guess what, sorry, but that doesn’t prove shit. (Not that you’d care)
When I was a christian, I used to think the bible had some kind of magical power. When I accidentally knocked mine off the desk, I would freak out, dust it off, and pray for forgiveness having possibly damaged it. It was sacred. I thought that I could use it, combined with a cross, to hold back evil spirits. Now that I’ve grown up, I realize that the bible is just a book, just like any other book. It is simply ink printed on paper. It has to magical powers, and is mass produced like all the other books.
It’s funny when people bring it up in a debate. “Well in verse X god says ABC”! I always want to reply: “Oh really? Well in Harry Potter, book 3, Dumbledore says XYZ!” I’m pretty sure I’d get a dumbfounded look on their face. “Bu…bu..but THAT’s not the BIBLE!” Look buddy, you can scream it as loud as you want, or say it with as much reverence as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that it is still just a book that you personally believe to be the word of god, and sorry, no matter how deeply you believe in something, that faith doesn’t make it true.
God’s word does not return void, it will purpose what God intends it to do, Isaiah 55:11
If a person doesn’t receive God’s word for salvation then God will use His word to judge that person in the last day, John 12:48
A Christians will quote scripture to you because they speak from the authority of God, not their own.
and because you say it does not matter does not make it wrong.
Oh ya, there have been some that have woken up to the truth through the word of God, wither that was reading it for themselves or hearing someone read it. The words of God have power, after all He did create the universe with a spoken sentence (one verse, a Uni-verse).
^ I don’t think you read this too well.
Sure, mccoville, sure. You do realize that the bible itself is the single biggest generator of atheists? That’s the power of scripture for you!
mcoville, you wouldn’t even know what a uni-verse is if it was not for science. You’d still think god’s “creation” was limited to the flat earth and bowl like dome that makes up the sky, while the earth remained still and angels pushed around crystals that make up the stars…
And David, did you even read the damn post? It’s as if you just saw the title “The bible doesn’t matter” and your little faith feathers got all puffed up. Why the hell are you spouting bible verses after an entire post on how they’re useless? Somebody’s got a thick skull…
I don’t have “faith feathers”, The point that I made and you obviously missed was simple, Christians don’t speak from their authority they speak from God’s authority.
“mcoville, you wouldn’t even know what a uni-verse is if it was not for science. You’d still think god’s “creation” was limited to the flat earth”
The Bible teaches that the earth is a sphere that hangs in space, suspended by nothing, I would give you chapter and verses but you won’t hear it so you will have to take my word for it.
When did a ‘circle’, as it is described in the bible, become a ‘sphere’? Not to mention the ‘four-corners’ thing… Stop trying to use the bible as a science text. It doesn’t work.
I don’t know of any Christians who say the world is flat, I know the Bible doesn’t teach that so when someone says something along the lines of,
“You’d still think god’s “creation” was limited to the flat earth”
That’s obviously a straw-man argument,
Circle doesn’t mean “flat” the root meaning Hebrew word “chug” is translated sphere.
Sound science does not contradict the Bible science fiction does.
In the beginning there was nothing then nothing exploded and the universe was formed (big bang)
Man evolved from apes (when I go to the zoo I can see that the ape is still an ape)
Global warming…(look it up)
http://redeemthetime.net/2010/01/25/global-warming-scientist-used-false-data/
What a physicist means by the word ‘nothing’ is not the usual meaning of the word. I suggest viewing physicist Lawrence Krauss’ lecture on the subject if you can find it. And it wasn’t an explosion – it was the expansion of space that began with the big bang, which we still see in the red shift of galaxies today.
And you don’t see the similarities? Wow. And we did not evolve from apes – humans and apes share common ancestry.
A global warming denialist. You’re an ostrich, man. Go out to the mountains and compare the extent of glaciers today with photos of the same glaciers taken over the decades. Almost all are receding. Then try to tell me climate change isn’t happening.
Oh, by the way, a circle IS flat.
I heard Krauss once, he gave a lecture on the beginning of the universe and discredited himself when he dropped the f bomb..” were all f***ed” were the first words out of his mouth, he said that because he knows he’s going to hell. I turned it off, foul language doesn’t pass my intellectual standard.
An ape is an ape, consistency in design, a dog has similarities to an ape and that doesn’t mean the ape turned into the dog over time. The fact that the ape still exist proves that it didn’t turn into anything over time.
a circle is not a sphere, the earth is a sphere it may look like a circle from the distance but it is round and has volume, chug in Hebrew
Nothing cannot produce something. give it some thought.
Here’s your “science” fiction for ya.
http://redeemthetime.net/2010/01/25/global-warming-scientist-used-false-data/
“Science” has been proven untrustworthy, climategate…hello! if they lie to us about the ending (global warming, we’re all going to die) how can I trust them with the beginning? (evolution)
I’ll leave you with this and I’m done
http://redeemthetime.net/the-existence-of-god/
btw the glaciers expanding and contracting is normal..it happens on Mars.
Without plowing through all the other responses, GP, as a Christian, I must say I agree with you. Recognizing that Atheists do not recognize the Bible as any authority more important or significant than a Dr. Seus book, perhaps less than some, (I love the Lorax, myself) It makes no rational sense to argue a point with, “Well, God’s Word says in (etc. etc.)” and expect my argument to be taken seriously. If we cannot use reason, perhaps using the Bible as a reference but not as an argument clincher (the all-important supreme source) then perhaps our arguments are not worth listening to.
Best regards as always,
-Charlie
P.S., the photo is really funny! Discussions on the use of scripture in arguments aside, the whole genre of ‘Christian Fiction’ amazes and sometimes concerns me. What, we Christians can’t have our holy minds cluttered up with the classics? We must -only- read and enjoy ‘approved’ Christian fiction??!!! Puh-lease!!!!
As always,
-Charlie
I found the post and the comments very interesting.
The bible is not a magic book, indeed it is the best seller on earth.
Unfortunately some christians use the bible as you describe in your post: as a magical item that can not be even accidentally kicked. It is not the paper and ink but the words it contains that make it powerful. Words that have been lasted thousands of years. Words that encouraged millions of people to live even when life conditions are barely possible.
However bible words are not precise as scientific papers instead they are simple but reveals universal laws that applies to any human being. Have you tried to read the bible as a book? As you read Harry Potter? I am sure you will find wonderful stories and help you to understand phrases from Dumbledore.
I found the post and the comments very interesting.
The bible is not a magic book, indeed it is the best seller on earth.
Unfortunately some christians use the bible as you describe in your post: as a magical item that can not be even accidentally kicked. It is not the paper and ink but the words it contains that make it powerful. Words that have been lasted thousands of years. Words that encouraged millions of people to live even when life conditions are barely possible.
However bible words are not precise as scientific papers instead they are simple but reveals universal laws that applies to any human being. Have you tried to read the bible as a book? As you read Harry Potter? I bet you will find phrases similar to Dumbledore ones. Start with book of Ruth, it is one of the shortest but the story will keep you until the end, plus it will help you think about everyday life.
I understand and respect your feelings about people that use bible versicles as authority arguments. But please see that the person is not alone, there are millions of people that do use bible words as guidance for their life’s. When a christian use a bible versicle during a conversation is because these words are part of this person reality. I am sure you frequently use phrases from Harry Potter’s book. The only difference is that you know Harry Potter world does not exist but christians know bible stories are real. Christians do live in a world of everyday Miracles and the presence of God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is part of our life. For us the bible is a guide, a book to read and understand the universe beyond. Bible words have the power of change lives, but the bible as a book it is not a magical object. Your post reflect the feelings of someone that was hurt by the misuse of the bible words. I suggest you to forgive the people who tried to convince you that the bible book is magical and READ the bible yourself. Then, let me know if you still think the bible does not matter.